## Highlights - Speaker 0: I'll describe what you see for the people who do scale the founders who are not afraid to be vulnerable. They understand that they are works in progress and then figure out the ways to constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and and it's the people who aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:00:00)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c462067f205624b64fa64c) - notes:: The ability to admit ignorance is a key factor for personal development  - Speaker 0: in, you know, types of strength that we, we needed. For example, one of the acquisitions that I was most proud of was this visual search company. They had developed some computer vision technology and that was something that Pinterest needed. We had no computer vision D. N. A. And bringing in that type of kind of founder orientation. It was like incredibly impactful for the company. Speaker 1: What are some of the lessons you learned about scaling Pinterest that apply outside of Pinterest after you left? Speaker 0: Oh gosh, Shane. There's so many, you know, the first thing and this is one of the things that the founders with whom I work uh hear me talk about all the time. Is that kind of what you measure matters? So, [(Time 0:08:36)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c464ca7f205624b64ff600) - notes:: What you measure matters. Explains a bit about my lack of attention to body weight during my inactive time compared to my usual weigh ins - Speaker 0: might find coaches, you know, that actually helped them through that, but the founders, who I see the founders and and and leaders are not afraid to be vulnerable like that. They understand that they are works in progress and and then figure out the ways to constantly, constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and, and it's the people who I think aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:25:24)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c6dfe80dced531019fd793) - notes:: The student mindset is critical. There’s always some thing that you can be taught. There’s always some thing you can learn. --- tags: 📥️/🎧️/🟥️ publish: true aliases: - #113 Sarah Tavel: The Value of Intellectual Rigor cover: '' general_subject: specific_subject: source: airr isbn: doi: url: 'https://www.airr.io/episode/60c870219666e7a3b95b29fd' author: "[[@The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish]]" guest: publish_date: reviewed_date: ---  ## Highlights - Speaker 0: I'll describe what you see for the people who do scale the founders who are not afraid to be vulnerable. They understand that they are works in progress and then figure out the ways to constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and and it's the people who aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:00:00)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c462067f205624b64fa64c) - notes:: The ability to admit ignorance is a key factor for personal development  - Speaker 0: in, you know, types of strength that we, we needed. For example, one of the acquisitions that I was most proud of was this visual search company. They had developed some computer vision technology and that was something that Pinterest needed. We had no computer vision D. N. A. And bringing in that type of kind of founder orientation. It was like incredibly impactful for the company. Speaker 1: What are some of the lessons you learned about scaling Pinterest that apply outside of Pinterest after you left? Speaker 0: Oh gosh, Shane. There's so many, you know, the first thing and this is one of the things that the founders with whom I work uh hear me talk about all the time. Is that kind of what you measure matters? So, [(Time 0:08:36)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c464ca7f205624b64ff600) - notes:: What you measure matters. Explains a bit about my lack of attention to body weight during my inactive time compared to my usual weigh ins - Speaker 0: might find coaches, you know, that actually helped them through that, but the founders, who I see the founders and and and leaders are not afraid to be vulnerable like that. They understand that they are works in progress and and then figure out the ways to constantly, constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and, and it's the people who I think aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:25:24)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c6dfe80dced531019fd793) - notes:: The student mindset is critical. There’s always some thing that you can be taught. There’s always some thing you can learn. --- tags: 📥️/🎧️/🟥️ publish: true aliases: - #113 Sarah Tavel: The Value of Intellectual Rigor cover: '' general_subject: specific_subject: source: airr isbn: doi: url: 'https://www.airr.io/episode/60c870219666e7a3b95b29fd' author: "[[@The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish]]" guest: publish_date: reviewed_date: ---  ## Highlights - Speaker 0: I'll describe what you see for the people who do scale the founders who are not afraid to be vulnerable. They understand that they are works in progress and then figure out the ways to constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and and it's the people who aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:00:00)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c462067f205624b64fa64c) - notes:: The ability to admit ignorance is a key factor for personal development  - Speaker 0: in, you know, types of strength that we, we needed. For example, one of the acquisitions that I was most proud of was this visual search company. They had developed some computer vision technology and that was something that Pinterest needed. We had no computer vision D. N. A. And bringing in that type of kind of founder orientation. It was like incredibly impactful for the company. Speaker 1: What are some of the lessons you learned about scaling Pinterest that apply outside of Pinterest after you left? Speaker 0: Oh gosh, Shane. There's so many, you know, the first thing and this is one of the things that the founders with whom I work uh hear me talk about all the time. Is that kind of what you measure matters? So, [(Time 0:08:36)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c464ca7f205624b64ff600) - notes:: What you measure matters. Explains a bit about my lack of attention to body weight during my inactive time compared to my usual weigh ins - Speaker 0: might find coaches, you know, that actually helped them through that, but the founders, who I see the founders and and and leaders are not afraid to be vulnerable like that. They understand that they are works in progress and and then figure out the ways to constantly, constantly grow, evolve and push their own abilities and, and it's the people who I think aren't willing to admit to themselves or whomever they work, that they don't know something or they're not letting themselves have that learning moment of accepting that they don't know something that they tend to just hold themselves back and not scale as a company [(Time 0:25:24)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63c6dfe80dced531019fd793) - notes:: The student mindset is critical. There’s always some thing that you can be taught. There’s always some thing you can learn.