## Highlights - Speaker 0: you know, I Speaker 1: graduated high school graduate college, Speaker 0: your first job. Yeah. And they're lame as hell. I mean, you can't really look at yourself and think, um, I'm on, I can stand shoulder to shoulder with people who were in the First World War, you know, single handedly paddled their way up the amazon or something. So it's a sort of, you're going to just feel lame if you accept the culture Speaker 1: right there, male rites of passages for this lousy modern world. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you you said this idea like a rite of passage that really can help a boy transition that has, that has those factors that there's an element of risk to a, of danger where you have to display courage, You have to display fortitude [(Time 0:11:49)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e6e3f1d9955ff771f16c67) - notes:: A right of passage should include risk and opportunities to display courage and fortitude, modern rituals, or rights of passage, such as school, graduations, or drivers license test, simply in adequate, in making a prospective man feel  as if he can stand amongst the other men as an equal - Speaker 0: and outrageous position and maybe it's all about getting that mental flexibility and moving yourself into that position. Speaker 1: And I mean something, this is sort of an issue that philosophers have grappled with, Its like, can can you really be considered kind or good if you don't have the ability to do like, violence or bad or whatever it is, Like, is it any virtue that you don't even have the ability, like you don't have to overcome it? You know what I'm saying? So it's like, can you really be proud of your virtue if you have no opportunity to test it or like control it somehow. Speaker 0: Yeah, I think that that, you know, that's that's kind of another way into it. And I think that's a good way of looking at it, that you may be over focused on those virtues and you might not understand that. [(Time 0:24:13)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e7c4b5d9955ff77109893a) - notes:: Having the virtue of kindness is in essence, having the ability to do violence and the self control restraint, and understanding to not utilize it  --- tags: 📥️/🎧️/🟥️ publish: true aliases: - Being a Man in the Lousy Modern World cover: '' general_subject: specific_subject: source: airr isbn: doi: url: 'https://www.airr.io/episode/61364440395e3f000f26f8db' author: "[[@The Art of Manliness]]" guest: publish_date: reviewed_date: ---  ## Highlights - Speaker 0: you know, I Speaker 1: graduated high school graduate college, Speaker 0: your first job. Yeah. And they're lame as hell. I mean, you can't really look at yourself and think, um, I'm on, I can stand shoulder to shoulder with people who were in the First World War, you know, single handedly paddled their way up the amazon or something. So it's a sort of, you're going to just feel lame if you accept the culture Speaker 1: right there, male rites of passages for this lousy modern world. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you you said this idea like a rite of passage that really can help a boy transition that has, that has those factors that there's an element of risk to a, of danger where you have to display courage, You have to display fortitude [(Time 0:11:49)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e6e3f1d9955ff771f16c67) - notes:: A right of passage should include risk and opportunities to display courage and fortitude, modern rituals, or rights of passage, such as school, graduations, or drivers license test, simply in adequate, in making a prospective man feel  as if he can stand amongst the other men as an equal - Speaker 0: and outrageous position and maybe it's all about getting that mental flexibility and moving yourself into that position. Speaker 1: And I mean something, this is sort of an issue that philosophers have grappled with, Its like, can can you really be considered kind or good if you don't have the ability to do like, violence or bad or whatever it is, Like, is it any virtue that you don't even have the ability, like you don't have to overcome it? You know what I'm saying? So it's like, can you really be proud of your virtue if you have no opportunity to test it or like control it somehow. Speaker 0: Yeah, I think that that, you know, that's that's kind of another way into it. And I think that's a good way of looking at it, that you may be over focused on those virtues and you might not understand that. [(Time 0:24:13)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e7c4b5d9955ff77109893a) - notes:: Having the virtue of kindness is in essence, having the ability to do violence and the self control restraint, and understanding to not utilize it  --- tags: 📥️/🎧️/🟥️ publish: true aliases: - Being a Man in the Lousy Modern World cover: '' general_subject: specific_subject: source: airr isbn: doi: url: 'https://www.airr.io/episode/61364440395e3f000f26f8db' author: "[[@The Art of Manliness]]" guest: publish_date: reviewed_date: ---  ## Highlights - Speaker 0: you know, I Speaker 1: graduated high school graduate college, Speaker 0: your first job. Yeah. And they're lame as hell. I mean, you can't really look at yourself and think, um, I'm on, I can stand shoulder to shoulder with people who were in the First World War, you know, single handedly paddled their way up the amazon or something. So it's a sort of, you're going to just feel lame if you accept the culture Speaker 1: right there, male rites of passages for this lousy modern world. Speaker 0: Yeah. Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you you said this idea like a rite of passage that really can help a boy transition that has, that has those factors that there's an element of risk to a, of danger where you have to display courage, You have to display fortitude [(Time 0:11:49)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e6e3f1d9955ff771f16c67) - notes:: A right of passage should include risk and opportunities to display courage and fortitude, modern rituals, or rights of passage, such as school, graduations, or drivers license test, simply in adequate, in making a prospective man feel  as if he can stand amongst the other men as an equal - Speaker 0: and outrageous position and maybe it's all about getting that mental flexibility and moving yourself into that position. Speaker 1: And I mean something, this is sort of an issue that philosophers have grappled with, Its like, can can you really be considered kind or good if you don't have the ability to do like, violence or bad or whatever it is, Like, is it any virtue that you don't even have the ability, like you don't have to overcome it? You know what I'm saying? So it's like, can you really be proud of your virtue if you have no opportunity to test it or like control it somehow. Speaker 0: Yeah, I think that that, you know, that's that's kind of another way into it. And I think that's a good way of looking at it, that you may be over focused on those virtues and you might not understand that. [(Time 0:24:13)](https://www.airr.io/quote/63e7c4b5d9955ff77109893a) - notes:: Having the virtue of kindness is in essence, having the ability to do violence and the self control restraint, and understanding to not utilize it